We have survived two days of CES 2025

Devindra: [00:00:00] What’s up everybody, that is Devindra Hardwar, Senior Editor at Engadget.

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Cherlynn: I am Deputy Editor Cherlynn Low.

Devindra: We’re right here what is that this, the start of evening one in all CES formally?

Cherlynn: I assume, yeah. I

Devindra: guess now we have already suffered by principally day minus one. Minus

Cherlynn: one and right now’s zero.

Devindra: One factor I would like our listeners to know is that now we have already seen loads of issues we sort of know the place the CES is headed. And, I feel it is a cursed present Cherlynn. How do you’re feeling about that? For all of us. For our

Cherlynn: group. Yeah, I feel I imply, Devindra, I will allow you to communicate to your state of affairs, however we have had group members who’ve fallen deathly sick.

We now have additionally, like, individuals who have utterly needed to miss their flights, worldwide flights. It has been fairly Engadget group, however now we have a extremely, actually good group of individuals. Everybody’s bought nice attitudes and, like, our spirits are excessive. Okay. You wish to simply get the stuff going. So, yeah, no, and Devindra, you have got been struggling slightly [00:01:00] bit.

Devindra: So, yeah, replace right here is I principally threw my again out the the day earlier than I needed to fly. So, I sort of was mentally simply getting ready easy methods to fly with out caring a lot and simply being very easy on my again. However, you understand, I survived. And

Cherlynn: sitting in a aircraft for so long as you probably did could not assist both, proper?

Most likely did not assist.

Devindra: Fortunately I did a sensible factor and I purchased a Consolation Plus improve with my factors forward of time. And I used to be like, I used to be going to be chill on the flight and it turned out that was simply vital. Yeah, so CS is formally starting. We now have seen we have simply went by CS Unveiled yesterday.

Plenty of embargoes and information got here out right now too. , a number of the largest information we have seen. Dell’s rebrand away from its personal PC names. To Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. There’s some new {hardware} from Intel and AMD. Yay! that they confirmed off and, you understand, simply sort of a typical CS stuff. What have been the bizarre stuff you noticed, Cherlynn, at at Unveiled?

Since you have been there amidst all of the bizarre devices.

Cherlynn: Yeah, and to be clear, given Devindra’s [00:02:00] harm, we’re, we’re having Devindra keep in place the place he’s, you understand, in a position to recuperate slightly bit. So, Devindra wasn’t at Unveiled with me, so I will let you know about all these humorous issues we noticed at Unveiled.

In some way probably the most intriguing factor to this point is the pattern of Placing issues in your mouth at CES Unveiled.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Cherlynn: So, now we have like, at the very least two issues which can be saliva detecting units. Uh huh, huh. Or like, you set a drop of saliva otherwise you put your like, a stick in your mouth or one thing. We

Devindra: aren’t going to name this the Hawktwa CES, let’s not try this.

Dan

Cherlynn: Cooper undoubtedly not arising with a narrative based mostly round that. However the thought is that utilizing your saliva. Firms can inform how a lot cortisol or different varieties like progesterone forms of issues, hormones are inside your Or in you, proper? And so it is a bit to assist with burnout a bit to assist with like stress and well being after which there’s It is the salt spoon that everybody was licking at CES on day one.

That

Devindra: does not appear to be a very good [00:03:00] thought at a, at a convention. It

Cherlynn: was so, yeah, everybody’s felt prefer it was, initially it appeared slightly icky, however the sales space was so crowded I went over and it seems they really had like particular person disposable variations of this spoon, the salt spoon per its title. It is a gadget that may mimic or simulate the, the flavour of umami or salt made by an organization known as Kirin.

Devindra: Okay.

Cherlynn: Which I consider makes some sort of condiment. That is the,

Devindra: they are a soy sauce firm. Precisely.

Cherlynn: And so, it is the concept that like, individuals wish to reside more healthy, eat higher, and never have such a excessive sodium weight loss program. So, however they nonetheless crave this style. We adore it. We

Devindra: love umami. Precisely. Why do not

Cherlynn: we, why do not we use electrical in your tongue?

Devindra: That’s some dystopian, I hope the story about that is the way it’s made. That may be very dystopian. That is very like, you understand, Soylent Inexperienced or one thing the place we’re not likely consuming meals, however we’re feeling these type of like electrical impulses of meals.

Cherlynn: Triggering your tongue to really feel prefer it’s tasting one thing.

Simply to really feel alive. That is horrible. I do know. I, it is, it is, you requested me bizarre. And I used to be like, yeah, that [00:04:00] is fairly horrifying. However I am very intrigued. I nearly, so I used to be sort of ready in line, but it surely was so crowded at all times. And I had a lot different stuff to take a look at that, I did not actually get round to it.

There have been different issues, I feel, that turned up that, as unveiled, that have been very fascinating. Our group noticed a stringless guitar. There have been, like, a couple of zillion robots that every one sort of look very bizarre. After which, a lot of mirrors that you would be able to, like, stand in entrance of and scan your self. And, lastly, I feel, the Stern Pinball Machine of the 12 months is themed Dungeons Dragons.

Okay.

Devindra: Actually, simply actually hitting the nerd market completely. We did see Roborock’s flagship new robotic vacuum and that factor appears to be like cool as a result of they simply added an arm to it. Prefer it has an extendable arm that may choose up socks and small issues from the ground. And I’m actually excited about seeing the race between Roomba all these different firms.

I feel was one of many first to do like, okay, self cleansing. We’ll dump your vacuum into this greater container than the vacuum [00:05:00] can maintain going. Now all people’s doing that. Then Roomba and others individuals began doing like combo mops. And now it is identical to, we’re getting appendages. We’re getting, I feel one can climb stairs.

I noticed information about that.

Cherlynn: So Carissa is on the robotic vacuum for us, I assume. And she or he bought an opportunity to take a look at the, yeah, the Roborock I can not bear in mind the precise. title, the way it’s pronounced, Safi or Safu Z70 and it now we have a video on the article on our web site in addition to on our Twitter. It is

Devindra: the Saros Z70, yeah.

Cherlynn: So shut, that was so shut. And yeah, that video reveals the robotic’s arm sort of popping out of its spherical disc like physique after which selecting up a sock that was in entrance of it. And never solely that, I believed it could simply choose it up after which like, wipe after which transfer away and put it again down. No, it took it to a basket close by, like a laundry basket nearly, And positioned it in there.

So principally

Devindra: we’re nearly there. We’re nearly there to actual robotic helpers.

Cherlynn: So shut. This factor may be very shut. Who knew Roborock of all firms would do it. I used to be like,

Devindra: it is a, it is actually fascinating to observe as a result of Roborock, I feel, yeah, it is a [00:06:00] Chinese language firm and these of us, like, particularly after they’re doing robotic stuff, like they’re simply barreling ahead as a result of they will make investments extra in R& D and stuff.

I would like, I’ve mentioned this earlier than. I would like one thing that may like unload my dishwasher,

Cherlynn: which is the

Devindra: course of that I feel like

Cherlynn: my dishwashing unloading remedy.

Devindra: load it up clear the kitchen identical to an actual rosy robotic state of affairs. That is what I would like

Cherlynn: I imply the opposite robotic vacuum that you simply’re speaking about that may climb upstairs.

I consider is the dreamy And yeah, it is fascinating to see or I used to be like why why would we want a robotic vacuum that may climb upstairs? However I assume there are precise useful makes use of for the x50 robotic I do not know, man. 1, 700 only for it to, like, climb.

Devindra: I feel it is a dangerous thought. It is a dangerous thought, as a result of Usually, you need your robotic to be on one flooring.

Yeah! After getting stairs within the equation, then, like, it might fall. There might be all types of points. To me, that is not tremendous helpful. I have been room constructing for some time, and solely lately with two flooring. You choose it up, and you progress it to a different flooring when you want to. Should you’re tremendous [00:07:00] bougie, you have got multiple Roomba.

You might have a Roomba port per flooring. Or you have got

Cherlynn: a budget one on the ground that does not matter as a lot because the costly one within the place that issues. They usually’re

Devindra: low-cost Roombas. You might get a refurb Roomba for like 200, 300 bucks.

Cherlynn: Yeah.

Devindra: Comparatively, that is comparatively low-cost in comparison with how a lot they used to value.

Cherlynn: Nicely, this one, I imply, I assume the, the shtick with this dreamy robotic is that it climbs up like a human. So it isn’t like type of propelling itself up in some unusual approach, going up on an incline, getting his rollers. It is like, God, some sort of like climbing mechanic. That is like. Bipedal? Is it bipedal? Is it like

Devindra: I’ve to take a better look.

The

Cherlynn: video appears to be like like wild and I am in such a CES fever dream that like, I’ve forgotten what it appears to be like like. A lot

Devindra: stuff. One other factor I wish to speak about, the TVs appear to be, it looks as if wi-fi TVs are morbid factor proper now. Like LG and Samsung are absolutely doing it. All their flagships have wi-fi bins.

They are saying the lag is fairly good for gaming. I must, I must see that to see how a lot it really works. However I do assume that is a very good ache level for lots of [00:08:00] individuals. Individuals hate Wires. Shifting behind their TVs. They hate, like, when you’re mounting a TV, it’s important to, like, work out the place all of the wires are going to go.

So there’s that that firm Displace, which final yr had the suction TV with the battery, which I feel I known as it vaporware final yr. I do not assume they really shipped any. This yr they’re again. They’ve a soundbar. They are saying they will truly ship stuff. I do not consider it. However, they’re again.

They’re right here.

Cherlynn: Is one yr sufficient time to see if the TV that may stick itself to your wall has fallen off but? what I imply? Like, is it time to name it protected if it hasn’t fallen off in a yr? Or ought to we give it one other yr? I do not know.

Devindra: It is my entire factor about trusting devices and trusting units, I cannot belief it.

Multi thousand greenback gadget that’s simply hanging by my wall by suction cup.

Cherlynn: It is like one factor if it falls off and hurts itself, it is one other if it like takes down my wall with it, proper? Like, and my mattress and my glass desk or one thing. So yeah, there’s loads of stuff to be involved about, I feel.

Devindra: Boy AIPC continues to be a operating theme this yr.

AMD was actually massive on a complete bunch of [00:09:00] new chips. They introduced the Ryzen AI Max chip, which they are saying goes to be in Halo merchandise, Halo Copilot Plus PCs. It is presupposed to be actually highly effective. It has extra graphics than their different ones. In addition they say it does higher rendering, like 3D rendering, higher than Intel’s chips.

As a result of AMD’s graphics are usually higher. They’ve like inbuilt Radeon cores. So, you understand, they’re sort of killing it. Intel was identical to, hey We now have AI chips too. They’re coming to gaming desktops. They’re coming to different issues.

Speaker 3: Yeah,

Devindra: they’ve core PC, core AI laptop computer chips that will probably be coming to gaming laptops as effectively.

So, that is a factor. , the benefit of CES is that you would be able to see individuals and speak to individuals. So, I had a very good chat with Pavan Davaluri, who’s like the top of Home windows and Floor units from Microsoft. That was an off the document chat, however I can say it was good to have. That dialog to see what they’re eager about AI PCs.

Hopefully we’ll have him on for one more part of the gadget podcast, [00:10:00] however I assume like CS is going on. Like when information is going on, these firms are taking it critically. We’re speaking to excessive degree individuals. So it appears like a CS of your, I would say, regardless of being so cursed early on,

Speaker 3: I assume,

Devindra: yeah, like stuff, it feels legit and actual in a approach that hasn’t for the previous couple of years.

However I imply, for

Cherlynn: you, perhaps two a part of it’s the return to the bodily. Sure. Proper, as a result of it has been some time. And I feel that my basic sense is that curiosity in CES may need waned. I feel this yr too you understand, we have, we have had totally different observations about reveals from the latest years and this yr feels much more like it’s one thing you can, it is like commoditizing issues for the sake of commoditizing issues slightly bit and greater than ever truly.

And it’s extremely very like the Radio Shack present slightly bit. However you understand, I might say, I do not wish to give away what we’re engaged on. So I might say like, we’re, Come to Engadget. com come to our social media channels the place we have loads of movies going up We have truly are bringing again our youtube channel for slightly bit And the reside weblog we I’m in [00:11:00] reside weblog hell day by day for slightly bit however it’s a enjoyable time as a result of reside blogs permit me to be a bit extra I feel private with our viewers Which is enjoyable like this podcast However I do wish to shout out wish to your level like amd and intel Each have made their bulletins as of the time.

We’re recording this however We nonetheless do not know technically what NVIDIA goes to announce. And Nvidia has one of many, I wanna say probably the most hyped keynotes or speeches, this CES mm-hmm . What are you pondering that they will do for CES?

Devindra: I imply, for the keynote, they usually hype up their AI tasks or robotics tasks.

And truthfully, issues that we do not usually report information on as a result of it is sort of pie within the sky stuff that may solely exist for a automotive producers or one thing. They do not actually contact shoppers. We’ll ultimately hear, probably, concerning the new GeForce RTX GPUs. Perhaps not tonight, however I’ve a very good sense like someday this week, NVIDIA will make that announcement.

And that’s the factor persons are actually ready to see. And I feel AMD sensed {that a} bit too. They briefly teased some details about the RDNA 4 [00:12:00] GPUs. Yeah, AMD additionally teased their RX 9070 GPUs. And that is fascinating too, simply the title is fascinating. As a result of you understand, AMD’s used to observe a completely totally different Radeon naming scheme.

Now they’re sort of aligning with what NVIDIA’s doing. So, this Radeon RX 9070 will probably be akin to no matter NVIDIA publicizes as a 5070 video card. Okay. So, it ought to make procuring slightly simpler. So there’s that. The RDNA 4 expertise goes to have AI upscaling, which is a factor we have knocked AMD in opposition to earlier than.

As a result of their constancy impacts a brilliant decision for stuff. However simply could not compete with NVIDIA NVIDIA’s DLSS, in order that they’re gonna have a solution to that. However once more, identical to, transient teases the information submit I wrote is just like the naked minimal we will even write as a result of they did not have a lot data.

They’re identical to, yeah, we could have new video playing cards, we could have new

Cherlynn: graphics. Is it claiming a spot,

Devindra: proper? Like, kinda? Yeah. Mainly. Whereas I feel NVIDIA’s gonna come right here and exhibit new {hardware}, new precise issues, so. We will see.

Cherlynn: Yeah.

Devindra: And I wish to do perhaps one or two [00:13:00] extra of those episodes, identical to recapping the place we’re Oh, all through the present?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we’re utilizing the DJI mic 2, or mic mini, so we will like sit down and document anyplace. Yep. We’re at our breakfast nook proper now. In

Cherlynn: the lodge.

Devindra: Yeah. And perhaps you may hear extra ambient noise than regular, but it surely, it is a actually good technique to have conversations. Yeah, it is quick. We hope to have some interviews from of us up quickly too.

With different

Cherlynn: members of the group. You will hear extra than simply the 2 of us. I feel, I promise you all of them sound superb and wonderful. I am attempting to think about like, whether or not there’s the rest that is of observe within the information that we have seen to this point, as a result of to your level, proper, CES is in full swing, actually. And we have been

Devindra: like, headstabbed.

Identical to, a lot stuff. Sherilyn’s been managing a lot of the like, sensible stuff and the scheduling stuff. Yeah, I’ve had like a pile of embargoes. All of us, like, all of the group

Cherlynn: has had piles of embargoes, which is like, it’s, like, to your level, sort of a return to kind in that sense, but additionally appears like we have been protecting this endlessly each CES.

We noticed just a few I do not know. Plenty of AI that [00:14:00] does not actually should be AI. We noticed loads of pet tech. We noticed loads of good residence. Man, ship us your ideas, actually, as far as we’re chugging alongside the present. Podcast at Engadget. com can be an awesome place to drop them. Oh my gosh LG’s bought all these bizarre merchandise that I feel we talked about even forward of coming to CES.

The place like, sure it is slapdick 2070 inch display screen on a microwave, however then lately we discovered what, it was a projector that appears like a stand fan or one thing? That is truly

Devindra: sort of cool. Yeah, we gotta get some video of that stuff.

Cherlynn: Yeah, so loads, loads to look out

Devindra: for. Of the tales we have produced, I do wish to shout out the stuff Sam and I did round Dell’s rebranding.

I wrote about Dell rebranding all of its PCs to sound extra like Apple, so try that submit. However Sam had a extremely good rant known as Dell killing the XPS title is an unforced error. And that entire story is wild as a result of Dell’s principally obliterating all of its model names. They’re simply going to be Dell, Dell Professional and Dell Professional Max.

And to each of us, that sounds very Apple y. Wait, can I insert

Cherlynn: myself slightly bit right here? As a result of it isn’t simply Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. [00:15:00] After I learn each of your posts, it’s the sub tiers that is unnecessary. Like in the event that they simplified it actually, it could simply be Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. Effective. However no, it could be Dell, Dell Professional, after which below every, there is perhaps the premium label and the plus label.

So it might be the Dell Professional Plus. Yep. However versus the Dell non professional premium. So the Dell premium continues to be worse than the Dell Professional Plus?

Devindra: Sure.

Cherlynn: My goodness. What? And you then throw within the numbers. There’s numbers. They’re coming again. A number of the numbers

Devindra: are coming again. The desktops are sort of ridiculous as a result of on the occasion Sam and I have been at, they confirmed off The Dell Professional Max Micro and the Dell Professional Max Mini, which you have got the identical title inside your title.

You might be conflicting what this gadget truly is, and I discover that to be utterly ridiculous. So, try Sam and my rant about that factor. I additionally did a video up on YouTube, and for as soon as, the YouTube commentators appear to be on our facet. Sure, they’re proper.

Cherlynn: They’re proper. We’re proper, and Dell [00:16:00] isn’t proper.

And so I’m glad you pointed it out. It appeared like lots of people resonated with that story on our facet as effectively. It is a complete

Devindra: factor. And I’ll say I do not miss just like the, I do not miss loads of the manufacturers like Inspiron and no matter, but it surely’s extra like XPS. Eliminating XPS looks as if a mistake. Falling within the footsteps of Apple looks as if a extremely weak transfer.

Cherlynn: Of all of the issues to do as a result of look, I lined HP’s pivot to at least one model as effectively when that occurred final yr. And HP had a very good sense to simply, after they say simplify, they imply. Simplify to their very own model. In order that they did Omnibook, proper? Which isn’t Professional Max. Effective. It is their very own title. For Dell to let you know that they don’t seem to be copying Apple, and I am not saying they did say that to you, however like, they roughly prompt that these are business phrases.

They did say that

Speaker 3: to me. However

Cherlynn: like, if HP can achieve this with out invoking the phrases Professional and Max, why cannot you, Dell?

Devindra: That is principally what I requested Michael Dell, the CEO of Dell, at this occasion the place Dell. com. He was there to announce this entire factor and so they have been asking [00:17:00] questions from the viewers. So yeah, I shot my hand up and I used to be like, my direct query to him was, what does Dell have to achieve by copying Apple?

And Michael Dell didn’t look too happy.

Cherlynn: After all he did. He

Devindra: I imply for him too, it is like, oh, now my names are all Dell, Dell, Dell. So it is like higher for him and his ego. Yeah, yeah, his

Cherlynn: title, yeah, yeah. And I

Devindra: really feel like which may be a part of it, however I’ve talked to lots of people at Dell, like Different individuals, individuals working throughout the PC design stuff and no one was enthusiastic about this transformation.

After all

Speaker 3: not, why? As a result of

Devindra: their infants are all gone. Just like the individuals who work on Inspiron and Precision and all the things, the manufacturers they commit their lives to are gone. And now they must reside with these new manufacturers and I do not know if persons are going to be as excited. So anyway, that is going to be an extended ongoing story.

Take a look at our protection in all of its many types. I feel that is going to be one of many massive takeaways from the CS. Del type of, simply taking pictures itself within the foot right here. And no one appears to love it besides Del, besides Michael Del.

Cherlynn: Yeah. I wish to shortly shout out that the Samsung press convention simply wrapped and we realized two issues of observe.

One, that the [00:18:00] Bali rolling robotic goes to truly retail this yr, they are saying. However they did say that final yr too. After which we do not know a value but. We simply know it may be the primary half of the yr is what they mentioned on stage. After which the second factor is that they introduced the dates of Galaxy Unpacked.

It is going to occur? January twenty second. So thanks so much, Samsung, as a result of proper after CES, a few of us will probably be heading straight into preparation for Samsung Galaxy S8. Let

Devindra: Cherlynn take a break. That is the message of this yr. By no means,

Cherlynn: by no means taking place. Alright, we

Devindra: will, we’ll be again with extra updates about CES. Drop us an electronic mail, of us, podcastinggadget.

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Cherlynn: music suggestions! Oh

Devindra: yeah, perhaps we must always simply open up a playlist and have individuals add songs to it. Anyway, we’re out of us, thanks.

Cherlynn: Bye!